Shea says it's a big deal for Synagro but Rosendall as well who had a big compensation package tied in. Rosendall says he would have made a couple of million dollars over 25 years. Rosendall owned some of the land that the facility would have been built on. Rosendall would have made around $1 million from the sale of that piece of property.

Rosendall agrees that the deal was very important to me.

The process took years for the deal from inception to processing says Shea, about 6 1/2 years. Rosendall agrees.

Synagro announced the purchase of the Minergy contract in November 2003 but didn't close it until 2007. Rosendall proposed the idea to state rep Kwame in 2001.

Shea talking about how Synagro wanted to change the Minergy contract because it wasn't cost-effective as it was written. Correct says Rosendall.

Contract had to be reviewed by DWSD, water board, City Council. Rosendall says if it had happened before 2005 the mayor would have had the power to authorize it and it wouldn't have had to go through all those steps.

Rosendall agrees that was the regulatory process.

Rosendall again agrees that he though this project had real value.

Shea says and the administration feedback was that they thought it was going to be a good deal. Win-win.

But says Shea no one thought it would have been easy to go though.

"If the mayor still had his special powers it would have been much easier," says Rosendall about the Special Administrator powers over water contracts.

Rosendall agrees there were concerns with unions. Rosendall also agrees that there was some concern that community members weren't going to like the project. Rosendall agrees that they anticipated some neighborhood opposition. Synagro also expected some opposition due to political issues- city government's take on unions, neighborhoods' concerns.

Shea says so Synagro and the administration had an eye on addressing community concerns.

In 2002, Kwame told Rosendall that Derrick miller would be his primary contact on the contract. Shea says that Rosendall talked to Miller about the community piece. Rosendall doesn't recall that but recalls discussing minority representation.

Shea asks if Rosendall recalls Miller recommending he use Bernard for community outreach. Rosendall says he recalls talking to miller about community outreach and minority representation but doesn't recall him recommending taking on Bernard as a consultant.

Shea asking about the Lansing consulting firm Synagro had. They liaised between governmental departments and private companies. Rosendall doesn't know if they had a Detroit office.

Shea says so wouldn't it be helpful to have local people assisting them. Rosendall says they had local people helping them.

But says Shea people who were familiar with the local political landscapes. Rosendall agrees that would have been helpful.

Shea asks is Bernard was experienced with political landscape of Wayne County and Detroit.

"I don't know about experience but I know he was connected," says Rosendall.

Rosendall saying he didn't know Bernard was involved in Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick's political campaigns.

Shea says wouldn't you agree someone with that experience would be valuable with community outreach. Yes says Rosendall.

Shea says so you are introduced to Bernard in late 2003, early 2004 at the Manoogian Mansion but within a week he turned you over to Rayford Jackson.

"I think I said a week or two," says Rosendall.

Isn't it true you worked with Bernard for 5 or 7 months before he turned you to Jackson. I don't recall says Rosendall.