Thomas says there was a giant sucking sound when a casino was built in Windsor and the money went flowing to Canada.


Originally, during the Archer administration, the casinos were going to be built on the riverfront.


This is the riverfront everyone was talking about when they were talking about casinos says Thomas.


Miller lists casinos: MGM, Greektown and what eventually became Motor City. Prior to Kilpatrick taking office, they were going to be located south of Jefferson.


Miller says he remembers most of the deals for the casinos. Thomas says there was going to be money loaned for the acquisition of casinos. Miller says he believes it was $150 million.


Miller says when Kilpatrick came into office, $125 million was spent.


Thomas asks what was the most expensive piece of real estate in the US at that time. Was it that piece south of Jefferson? Miller says he doesn't know.


Thomas asks if Miller remembers "big box" retail being targeted for that area: big retail outlets like Home Depot.

Apparently rutherford wanted big box stores down there before he decided on casinos.

Miller said he helped renegotiate the deal with Ruth Carter. Miller said they wanted to get permanent casinos for hotel rooms and the retail space would increase tax revenues for the city.

Kilpatrick had said that there would be no casinos to be built on the riverfront when he was running for mayor.

Thomas says that once Miller cut his deals with the casinos, there weren't going to be any casinos on the riverfront.

Miller he says when he met with Paul Steelman, a Vegas-based casino architect, and Rutherford it was always specific to the casino project.

Steelman worked for Sheldon Adelson of the Sands. Thomas asks if Adelson is someone with a reputation for being able to make money from convention centers. Miller replies yes.

On August 3rd 2002, a casino deal was finally cut.

12:35PM Thomas says once deal was done, you were back to the business of running the city of Detroit. Yes says Miller.

Around that time, 36 department heads in the city were asked to resign. 48 contracts were being negotiated and had to be done in a 90 day period. Thomas says the city was in disarray, buses weren't running on time, snow was being shoveled and grass wasn't being cut.

Thomas says the Detroit PD was under a consent decree about its treatment of the people. So the city had to hire a police chief and at the same time, was running a search for a new head of the Setroit Water and Sewerage Department (DWSD). Thomas saying that mayor let Kathleen Leavey go as head of the DWSD when he came in. Thomas saying you had your hands full in the first 90 days working for the city. Correct says Miller. Thomas says didn't the stress give you physical and emotional problems. "Did you gain weight? Did you lose your hair," asks Thomas. Miller laughs and says he doesn't recall his anxiety. Thomas says Miller, Kilpatrick and Beatty were hard workers. The deal with the casinos was good for the city says Thomas. Miller agrees. Thomas asking about status of Cobo Hall in 2004, specifically talk about the suburbs taking over at that time. Brooks Paterson was saying he wanted outside management and that Cobo Hall was having difficulty with financing.