Why did you stop paying it? Bernard alerted me he was going on the Wayne County Health Board. didn't want him as a consultant and have him on the board.

Well if he is on board of directors, at time I was with Gateway Community Health says Rutherford. I didn't think it was fair to partners because i thought it would come up.

In 11 month period you paid Bernard a total of $113,000? Yes.

Exhibit 21A check from DPR Management LLC to Next Vision foundation on October 22nd 2002 for $5,000.

Who ran foundation? Ayanna Kilpatrick.

Why did you give to the foundation? looking at the date. I believe this was a Halloween fund-raiser. witness didn't attend but bought tickets and sent employees.

Why did you buy tickets? Someone called me.

Was it family connection? Absolutely.

Did you meet with Kwame about Greektown Casino? Yes.

Witness says he brought 3 different entities to Detroit to buy Greektown Casino. Research indicated they had too much debt. They paid outrageous interest and they were having trouble servicing their debt. So we picked Greektown as one to buy. MGM and Motor city not interested. motor City in process of re-arranging partnership.

Met with people from Las Vegas to China. Never could get a price. A value put on a casino every month for what it's worth. A very precise mathematical formula. Some partners at Greektown thought it was worth more than potential buyers. So never came close to a price.

Witness says Kwame talked to the chief at one time.

12:39PM Did Kwame send Derrick miller to meetings? Absolutely.

Witness says he remembers one in particular. Miller accompanied him to Las Vegas. Was Harras, now Cesar's, largest gaming operation in the world. They were first up to the plate. Met with CEO and CFO an other high ranking employees and 2 member from Greektown. Miller reported to the mayor.

Did mayor meet with city council to discuss your proposals? I don't know.

Do you remember if mayor's chief administrative officer met with council about casino? He met with a few. 

Witness says 2 representatives from Harras came to Detroit and he introduced them to the mayor. 

The Sands Las Vegas was second to express interest. Mayor met with CEO Widner. They met in DC and witness was there. 

Did they seem interested? "Everybody was interested." 

Did mayor meet with Venetian? absolutely. He met with Adelson, at the time about the third richest person at the time says the witness. (Technically he is the world's 12th richest person) The meeting was just the 2 of them.

Did you set it up? Yes.

Because you wanted a casino? Yes.

Did you get a casino? No.

Plan didn't work out? No.

Where did money you gave Kwame come from? From me.