Thomas talking about how the scanning technology has become so clear, it is somewhat intrusive. 

Talking about nationwide TSA standard settings. 

Thomas asks if the defense lawyers where there when October 2012 was conducted. Lorenz says there were not. 

Talking about "divestiture advisements". What the TSA does in asking people to remove items to clear the detectors. 

Thomas says that happens at all check points, at all times. Witness agrees. 

Witness says they do that to make things move efficiently and prevent having to pat down passengers. 

Thomas so concern is that people are completely divested, not just of metal but anything that might be dangerous to other passengers. 

Thomas saying that at McNamara, you can travel to international flights through any of the checkpoints so there could be concern about people carrying more than $10,000 through the terminal. 

Witness says they do not look for money but things that could bring harm to a plane or passengers. 

So Thomas says you don't help other agencies in investigating illegal activity. Witness says they do not get involved closely with that. 

There is protocol that if they see someone travelling internationally with more than $10,000 to report it to customs and immigrations.

In 2008, there were 35 CEIA magnatometers at Detroit Metro and 2 pilot scanners. Primary configuration was the CEIA magnatometer.

11:15AM Witness says that one TSA agent is assigned to every unit to monitor people coming through magnatometers. 

Lorenz talking about secondary screenings which consists of the pat downs. 

Thomas says weren't there hand wand scanners in 2008. Yes says Lorenz. 

Thomas asks if witness knows if currency has any metallic property. Witness does not. 

Thomas asking what TSA agents would do if they saw a passenger with bulges in their pockets. Witness says there are sensitive TSA protocols he can't get into. 

"But we are always sensitive to our surroundings, yes," says Lorenz. 

In 2008, in the McNamara terminal the witness says there were about 22 CEIA detectors. 

On November 6th, 2012, witness had interview with FBI agent about whether a passenger went through magnatometer or scanner. Thomas says that he indicated to the agents that it was a 99% chance that Clift went through CEIA magnatometer. 

Witness says primary device in 2008 was a CEIA magnatometer. The scanners were only being piloted. Lorenz says the 1% had to do with being diverted to secondary pat down screening. 

Thomas says that there is no way of knowing standards of particular magnatometer as we don't know which one Clift used. 

Lorenz says that is not true because TSA requires daily operational tests to make sure detectors are conforming to standards. 

Thomas says that without looking at log because you don't know which log it would be, can't know with a 100% certainty. 

Lorenz admits there have been times of machine failure.