Bullotta asks is she is nervous. "I am" she laughs. VanGuard is a not-for-profit.

Asks about December 1999, if she went on a trip to New York with Kwame Kilpatrick. It was a fact finding trip, talk to a congressman and former minister, Reverend Flake, whose church is in Queens. Received grant from Kellogg Foundation. Learned about state grant in 2000 for $300,000 from Bishop Edgar Vann. Bishop Van asked her to complete application.

Bullotta shows witness hard copy. Exhibit SG 1 moved into evidence. It's a Arts, Cultural and Quality of Life Grant. The name on document is Donna Givens Johnson, name with first husband. The document seeks to "involve low income residents of Detroit's northend Community in Arts and Cultural activities. Second Ebeneezer Church and local elementary school would welcome artists to improve the community quality of life.

The grant was for $300,000.

In August 2000, Williams was married. In September, she met with Carlita Kilpatrick. Introduced by Bishop Vann. Told that while she was on honeymoon, Kwame had gone to the bishop and asked him to hire Carlita for $75,000.

So Williams met with Carlita. She felt that it was an introduction and that the decision had been made by Bishop Vann.

U.N.I.T.E. was about conflict resolution for students. There was Sherrad school  on Cameron one block west of I-75. The school was pre-K through 8th grade. Very low income families.

Exhibit SG 2- check for $150,000 from the state of Michigan. First installment of grant money.

The check was made out to VanGuard on October 3rd, 2000. Funds were deposited to VanGuard. then check was written to Carlita Kilpatrick.

Exhibit SG 3- check written to U.N.I.T.E. for $37,500- half the agreed $75,000. The balance would come after the second grant installment.

There are 2 signatures on the check. Hired staff and artists. Those people invoiced as they provided services.

U.N.I.T.E paid differently. Carlita submitted contract and they prepaid her for half the amount.

Williams says there were times they did that with other professionals, like an architect, but not usually for the type of services she provided. Usually that type of work would be invoiced bi-weekly and paid by payroll.

Vanguard requested documentation of what she would be doing.

Exhibit SG 4- is an invoice for Carlita's services to Vanguard. admitted into evidence.

Exhibit put up on screen. Materials section blown up- character education curriculum, student handbooks as well as miscellaneous materials for giveaways. Materials total is $23,000.

Services total is $52,000 including staff training and character education program.

Carlita met frequently with VanGuard and principal of Sherrard. Met between 5 and 10 times. Carlita talked about her experience, their visions and the challenge of working with Sherrard school.

Carlita may have provided hand-outs with information about services.

Williams can't recall Carlita doing anything else.

Williams doesn't recall Carlita doing any Character Education Development, Student Handbook Development or Student Handbooks.

Doesn't recall Carlita doing Sherrard Character Education. Met with Vanguard on staff training ($10,000) and technical assistance in those 5 to 10 meetings.

Carlita stopped going to meeting after a few months. Told Williams she was taking some classes. Williams doesn't recall enforcing contract. Vanguard never refunded the money. Williams did not ask for refund.

When Williams first heard about Carlita being hired, she was upset. But when she met her, she liked Carlita.

Williams conferred with Philip Alderfer.