Polling demonstrated at the time that 20% of polled would vote for whoever she recommended. 

McPhail describing the intensity of running for office. 

"Very intense and very unpleasant," says McPhail of the campaigning for City Council.

 McPhail says the unpleasantness and intensity only increases as the field narrows. 

McPhail admits that contracting would be impacted by the electoral process. Never a prompt process, it would become even slower. 

Thomas asking if 7 1/2 months to clear a contract is unusual. 

"No, they often took a long time," says McPhail. 

McPhail saying that the mayor in the city of Detroit is responsible for all administrative matters relating to the citizens, City Council votes on whatever comes before them on the recommendation of the mayor. 

Thomas asks if City Council has the right to look at contracts independently of executive branch. 

"Yes," says McPhail. 

Witness says that often mayor's office would send over people to talk to them about things that were about to come before them. They would also get phone calls. 

"There were a lot of people who wanted to talk to us about contracts," says McPhail. 

McPhail says even contractors themselves would come talk to City Council. 

Witness says if contractor didn't get a contract and was aggrieved by it, they could come before City Council. City Clerk could receive a request in writing for this or a City Council member could be called in their office. 

McPhail says this was absolutely appropriate. 

Thomas asks about talking to consultants. 

"A lot of the contractors had consultants, yes. So they would come see us as well," says the witness. 

10:10AM McPhail says she interacted with Judge Feikens. 

"We were friends," says the witness. Explains that he became the overseer of the Water Department and that anything related to it had to go past him. 

McPhail describes Feikens as "brilliant." 

Witness says Archer and Kilpatrick were special administrators. Doesn't know if Coleman Young was. 

McPhail says the night after the primary she got a call to support the mayor. She declined to make an immediate decision. Was considering staying out of it. Then got another call from Kwame's people and agreed to meet with him and have a conversation with him. 

McPhail says after she supported Kwame, she helped him prepare for the debates. Close to when he was about to take office, Kwame asked if she wanted to come work for him and what was it she'd want to do. 

Witness said on 2 conditions. Not reporting to Christine Beatty is the first one. Second, she wanted to do things for people who live in Detroit: job opportunities, regulations being complied with on a state and federal level. 

Got a cabinet level position. McPhail says she was given responsibility of redesigning various departments in the city.