Tucker comes out with some type of bank card

They went to gas station

Card didn’t work, so they planned to go back to Tucker’s house

They go back, Tucker goes through window again

He comes back out with a gift card

Witness says plan was to kill

“I don’t’ remember who said it, but one of Tucker or Roderick said, they were talking about which family should member should be taken care, who would take care of which family members.”

Tucker would go after brothers

Roderick would go after mom and dad

Rod was supposed to go after sister

Defense attorney Mike McCarthy questions Zinderman

McCarthy asks witness where he sat while he was riding in the blue truck with Young and Tucker. Witness says he sat in middle and Young drove the whole night during the two times they went to Cipriano house and broke in.

Witness has grant of immunity in case – May 17. Witness is not being charged with anything, but McCarthy asks him if he knew that he could have been facing a first-degree home invasion charge.

“So you can speak freely today and not have to worry about having anything you say used against you,” McCarthy says.

McCarthy said the immunity is only for in the courtroom – not for outside. And that if anything anyone else said against Zinderman could be used against him.

Prosecution disagrees, says the immunity covers everything.

McCarthy asks how the witness got two pairs of latex gloves in his pocket. Witness says he doesn’t know how they got there.

“Tucker loves his sister.”

Witness says Tucker mentioned that

Witness gets teary eyed

Witness testifies that the plan was to weighing them (the bodies) down with barrels and put them in river

Tucker was going to run away to Mexico

Once he heard all of this, witness says he thought:  “If they want to (expletive) up their life, they can do it on their own accord.”

“Don’t’ bring me into it.”

Witness asks to be dropped off