But the Pistons were here first, losing and playing in front of a mostly empty arena in 2000. It didn't take all that long to get the ship righted.

Settle in Pistons fans. It will be another frustrating season, not a total loss, though. And the idea that they could settle in and grab the final playoff spot isn't out of the question.

"We want to see growth, improvement,'' Pistons owner Tom Gores said. "And ultimately, we have to win."